There is no “valid” baptism outside the Church — Part 1 of 2

Dear A.,

The topic of the reception of heterodox Christians by the Orthodox Church addressed in your comment to our “MANIFESTO1, is of broad interest, and I would like to share my response to you with our readers. For their benefit here is your comment in its entirety:

I appreciate the aim of this manifesto. However, I think that the idea that baptism is necessarily the way to receive heretics is far from established. When the Russian church decided to rebaptize Catholic converts in the seventeenth century, bishops of Eastern churches clamored to stop them. And the Russians did stop that practice. Baptism only became the normative means of receiving Catholics in the Greek church in the eighteenth century because of an obscure theological controversy that was inspired by a dubious figure. Just read the history, the answer is not clear. Sources: Fr. Ambrose Pogodin provides a good history here. Andrei Psarev examines a relevant canon here. Fr. John Erickson (I know) has a useful overview here.

It seems that you have not read carefully the particular paragraph concerning baptism.2 We are not saying that “baptism is necessarily the way to receive heretics”; rather, we are critical of the guidelines of the Ecumenical Patriarch who recognizes baptisms that take place outside the Church as valid–something the Church outright rejects–turning the oikonomia (the exception) into akriveia (the rule), and not allowing akriveia even by oikonomia!–something never before seen throughout the history of the Church.

According to Prof. Fr. John Romanides:

Orthodox Churches usually accepted into their membership individuals or Churches by means of either exactitude (akribeia ) or economy (oikonomia ).

  1. By Exactitude one is accepted by baptism, chrismation and profession of the Orthodox Faith accompanied by rejection of former errors.
  2. By Economy one is accepted by chrismation and profession of the Orthodox faith and the rejection of former errors.

Neither of these two means of entry into the Church is in itself a judgment on the validity or non-validity of the sacraments of the Church of origin, since there are no mysteries outside of the Body of Christ.3

Even the arch-ecumenist Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk confesses the one and only Orthodox FAITH concerning the question of sacraments outside the Church:

"The Augustinian understanding of the ‘efficacy' of the sacraments was never fully accepted in the Orthodox Church. Such an understanding of the sacraments is unacceptable for Orthodox Tradition, for it is an understanding in which the grace inherent within them is considered autonomous, independent of the Church. The sacraments can be performed only within the Church, and it is the Church that bestows efficacy, reality, and salvation on them."4

When and how to exercise oikonomia is a secondary issue, and it is left up to the discretion of the bishops and their episcopal synods when and how to apply it. The main issue that all Orthodox should and must agree upon is that baptisms that take place outside the Church are not valid baptisms. I briefly addressed this subject elsewhere many years ago. Here is what I wrote:


Acceptance addresses the issue how does the Church receive converts. Recognition addresses the “validity” of baptism.

The Church recognizes no baptism as “valid” that is performed outside of her. However, in the exercise of oikonomia (dispensation), at times and places and special circumstances, at the discretion of a bishop or synod of bishops, she accepts a baptism that resembles to a greater or lesser extent her baptism, of someone who is being received in the Orthodox Church from heresy or schism. Acceptance is not concerned with “validity” or recognition of baptisms performed outside of her, concepts which are foreign to her terminology and practice.

The fact that the Orthodox Church receives certain converts by oikonomia through Chrismation does not mean that the Orthodox Church recognizes a baptism performed outside her pleroma nor does she admit by such action that there is grace among the heterodox.

How the heterodox should be received has become not an issue of whether to exercise akriveia (strictness) or oikonomia (dispensation, exception), but an imposition by the ecumenists of their erroneous belief, namely that there is one baptism and that this one baptism is administered validly by anyone (even by non-Christians!), as long as the name of the Holy Trinity is invoked and water is used in any form.

Because of the prevailing ecumenism, it has almost become an article of faith that any baptism performed, whether inside or outside the Orthodox Church, is a valid baptism (so long as it is performed by invoking the name of the Holy Trinity). For this reason the Ecumenical Patriarchate no longer allows, under any circumstances, the reception of heterodox through baptism, because it is viewed as a repetition of the one true baptism. They will no longer allow the strictness to be applied even by oikonomia!!

Ecumenists are not willing to accept the patristic and synodal witness, that when the Church allows baptism by oikonomia she does so without addressing at all its “validity” outside the Church–which the ecumenists do because of their ecumenistic and synchretistic considerations.

I also ask you to look up the index entry “baptism” in my book The Heavenly Banquet5. I argue that especially in this country of “church-hoppers” the akriveia should be followed.

Coming back to your comment, I ask you: when you say - if you do - that Roman Catholics should not be baptized when they are received, is it because you believe the baptism conferred to them should be recognized as “valid” or because we don’t want to offend them, and we should not make conversion more difficult for them and therefore we should exercise oikonomia?

If you want to defend the validity of the baptism offered by the Roman Catholic Church, searching Church history won’t give you the answer. The current practice is that even if you wanted to be baptized it is not granted to you in the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical (read ecumenist) Patriarchate, so it has become a moot point. In fact, conversions are discouraged because the Ecumenical Patriarch wants the Orthodox Church to be united with the Roman Catholic Church in toto, as two sister Churches who recognize each other as two lungs of the same body, and re-establish a broken communion caused by misunderstandings, therefore conversions [through Baptism] are no longer allowed.

But please tell me: why would anyone who has already received the “ONE baptism for the remission of sins” want to join the Orthodox Church since...

  • he has received the laver of regeneration and has been spiritually reborn
  • he has already received remission of sins (Acts 2:38) and “the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38)
  • he is already walking “in newness of life” (Rom. 6:4)
  • the doors to the kingdom of God are already wide open to him (John 3:5).

What more would one hope to obtain in the Orthodox Church that he has not already received?

If through a baptism outside the Orthodox Church one has been incorporated into the Body of Christ, it follows that one has become a member of the Holy Church, so what else would one be seeking? If one has this, the first and most fundamental of the Church’s Mysteries, one can receive all of the sacraments. If one has the authority to baptize, he also has the authority to offer the bloodless sacrifice. Why, then, would anyone abandon his Church in order to join the Orthodox Church?

We will address this subject more in our next post.

  1. Posted on March 10, 2017.
  2. “The [Ecumenical] Patriarch has given the directive to no longer receive those Christians who want to become Orthodox through baptism, because, he says, since they are baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity they have a valid baptism. For us there are no Sacraments outside the Church.”
  3. A Critique of the Balamand Agreement, Orthodox Christian Information Center, October 14, 2001.
  4. Orthodox Christianity Vol. II: Doctrine and Teaching of the Orthodox Church, p. 405.
  5. pp. 211-212. I wish everyone would have this book as a reference for many topics. [editor’s note: Order this book and receive a 30% discount by using the coupon code: 1BAPTISM at checkout. Order three or more of our books and receive 40% off by using the coupon code 4BAPTISM at checkout.

8 thoughts on “There is no “valid” baptism outside the Church — Part 1 of 2”

    • Dear Daniel,

      You ask: Would I baptize Old Calendarists as they do in Greece? Absolutely not. I don’t know where you got that information, because I don’t believe that in Greece they rebaptize Old Calendarists. Maybe this happens with certain factions that don’t have canonical ordinations. Even in such cases they should not be rebaptized, because they perform the Orthodox baptism, and should be received by chrismation. Old Calendarists are Orthodox – more Orthodox than us. So not only I would not baptize them, but if they came to my Church they would be welcome to partake of the divine Eucharist. But they will not, because they don’t recognize that we, New Calendarists, have any grace, and, as we know, they will not receive a New Calendarist in their churches. It also bothers me that they don’t accept the holiness of such new Saints as Elders Paisios, Porphyrios and Iakovos.

      Personally, I view the separation as temporary, which in time, we pray, will be healed. I’m very sympathetic to their cause, but the change in the festal calendar was/is no cause to split from the universal Church. Witness the fact that the majority of Orthodox Christians follow the old calendar, yet they are in communion with us, the New Calendarists. Of course now, with ecumenism that has infested the “official” local Churches, it is virtually impossible for them to rejoin the Church. But I don’t blame them, but the Ecumenical Patriarch, the present one and those of the past, who are responsible for changing the ecclesiastical calendar without obtaining the consent of all the local Churches, as they ought to. I do remain hopeful that the few Bishops who remain Orthodox (whether with the old or with the new calendar) will wall themselves off from their ecumenist brethren, and unite with the Old Calendarists.

      A blessed New Year to you.

      • Dear Fr Emmanuel,

        I also think it’s tragic that Old Calendarists do not recognize the holiness of Sts Paisios, Porphyrios, and Iakovos. In fact, some Old Calendarists mock and curse these modern saints, which is extremely sad and frustrating.

        You mentioned that Old Calendarists consider us New Calendarists as graceless. However, I have always wondered and have not been able to answer the opposite, namely whether Old Calendarists (such as the ΓΟΧ) have grace.

        You mentioned that some factions of Old Calendarists do not have canonical ordinations. Does this mean therefore that there are some Old Calendarists that do have canonical ordinations and thus have grace?

        Would it be possible to please clear this up?

        (Thank you very much for your posts concerning the validity of Baptism outside the Church. May the Lord rid His Church of this cancer we call Ecumenism.)

        Have a blessed New Year!


  1. Dear Fr. Emmanuel,

    As a Greek “Old Calendarist” myself I never lost hope that in the new calendar church there are many Orthodox laity and clergy professing and struggling to safeguard our faith from heresy. I know that this ecclesiastical division by the grace of God, will be overcome one day only if we open our hearts to work towards unity among among all genuine Orthodox Christians regardless of the calendar they follow. I also believe that the restoration of the Orthodox calendar is more acceptable because I am convinced that we can all agree that all Orthodox Christians should be united liturgically. The calendar question is no longer an issue for all Orthodox but the pan-heresy of ecumenism.

    I fully support your mission to educate about the dangers of ecumenism. May God give you strength and the moral courage to be a firm confessor for Orthodoxy in your ministry.

  2. Fr. Emmanuel,


    The practice of the Church of Greece is that Old Calendarists are to be baptized. The quote below is from this link:

    “Metropolitan Nicolaos [of Messogaia and Lavreotiki] underscored the impossibility of recognizing the sacraments administered by the schismatics and told the journalists about a similar situation in Greece. The Holy Synod of the Orthodox Church of Greece resolved not to recognize the baptism of the Greek Old Calendarists, but receive them back from the schism only through rebaptizing.”

    • Dear Maximus,

      Thanks for your input. A search on my part did not produce the specific document Metr. Nikolaos referred to.

      I came across a report uploaded in the official website of the Church of Greece dated Jan. 2006, ( which states in passim (my awkward translation), “The Mysteries of the Old-Calendarists are considered as not having taken place and they ought to be repeated from the start.” It then addresses a specific application by a group which, with their priest, had applied to be received, to which it states, verbatim: “This applies in the case on hand by a group of brothers, who requested their readmission to the Church together with their ‘priest’. The documents presented to the Holy Synod are not sufficient. Therefore we have doubts about this Ordination, and in this case applies the Decision by the Holy Synod, No. 1027/6367/765/21-6-1996, according to which the Ordination must be done by a Canonical Bishop of the Orthodox Church. The same thing should apply to the Baptism of the members of this group. However the Holy Synod, by extreme leniency, applying Ecclesiastical Economy, accepted philanthropically the reception of this group in the Church through Chrismation with the Holy Myrrh.” They were also allowed to keep the Old Calendar!

      The Church did not baptize the Arians(!) because they had the baptism of the Church (triple immersion in the name of the Holy Trinity, but by an Arian priest), and we will re-baptize Orthodox Christians who want to (re)join the “official” Church? Besides, there are Old Calendarist jurisdictions which have received their episcopal ordinations from ROCOR. Would the Church of Greece include them as well?

      More could be said, and if there are any further questions we will gladly readdress the subject.

  3. Fr. Immanuel,

    I absolutely agree that Arians and Monophysites as well weren’t rebaptized because they used the Orthodox form to baptize. I was shocked to see that Greeks were rebaptizing Old Calendarists whereas some Slavic Churches (Russians included) continue to accept Roman clergy in their clerical rank!

    This article is surprising as well:


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